Boyd's stock for Ruger American

Discussion in 'Gunsmithing' started by lingr, Feb 20, 2015.

  1. lingr

    lingr Well-Known Member

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    Hey SWO1, my stock came in from Boyd's yesterday. Here are the pics of stock with the "V" blocks that needs bedding. Not actually pillars, they don't go into action screw holes but sit on top. I dry fitted the rifle to stock, everything lines up good. The only problem I'm having is with the detachable magazine. Dang thing is so tight when I attach it, I can't remove it without tearing the rifle down. Going to get the dremel and sand some where the magazine goes and try to loosen it up a bit. I bought the slow setting JB weld and some Johnson paste wax as a releasing agent. I'm not sure of how much JB weld I need to use to bed. Do I need to be skimpy with it? Or do I need to be generous with it to make sure I get a good bond?
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  2. SWO1

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    Good lookin stock. the V Blocks are interesting. A couple of things:\

    Which block goes in the front of the receiver ? I assume its the one without out the flat base on the rear of it.

    When the barrel/action sits in the blocks does any part touch the wood ?

    A way to check is to put a little of the paste wax on the bottom of the receiver/barrel - bolt them in place and then remove and see if any of the wax is left on the wood. If there is that will show you the areas that may need to be down some with the dremel.

    Also what part sits in the higher V ? You have a good pic of both sitting in the stock and one sits lower than the other, which one front or back.

    Use your finger to put a thin layer of the wax, not a bunch but thick enough to come off onto the wood when you bolt it in

    Go ahead and inlarge the Mag well before you start with the blocks. Now that I see them and the stock (plenty of wood to work with) before bedding some light dremel work will have to be done on them to insure a good strong bond.

    Check the barrel/receiver fit first and we will start there.
     

  3. lingr

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    SWO1, sorry but the weather hasn't been kind for me working in the shop. Today was the first good day to work on the stock.
    The v block with the extension on it goes in front of receiver. As far as one being higher than the other, they are not. It's just that the block that goes on behind the receiver sits right on the edge of the mag well and is more exposed.
    I enlarged the mag well and it's fitting good now. I put wax on barrel and receiver and as far as I can tell was not touching the stock anywhere. I went ahead and did a light sanding where the blocks will sit also.
    Now what would be the next step? :)
    And, also, do I need to put some form of sealant where I sanded the mag well bigger? In case of it getting wet?
    Here are a couple of pics of what I've done.
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  4. SWO1

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    Now all you have to do is put in some "cuts" with the rotary blade into the sides of the blocks and into the wood. Make sure the blocks are clean of any oil/ect and the wood is clean also. The cuts are a space for the JB Weld to flow into and hold a lot better than on flat surfaces. The dont have to be deep. I use a grind or cutting wheel that has worn down and fit into the spaces of the stock good.

    After making the cuts mix up the epoxy and put in the recesses of the stock where the blocks will sit. Just make sure the cuts in the stock are filled in and a thin layer on the outside. Also put some on the blocks to fill in the cuts. How much do you need ...... I would mix enough to where you think it will be enough. The slow setting kind gives you a longer working time than the quick set so if you dont have enough there is plenty of time to mix more. fit the blocks into the recesses. You dont want any ozzing out of the recess up onto the stock or V of the blocks. If it does you can clean it off. Another benifit of using the long setting formula. I use Pop cycle sticks that I trim the tips to desired width and thickness to put in the Epoxy.

    After setting the V blocks you will now put in the barrel/receiver and torque down the screws. This will keep the V blocks secure until the epoxy sets. The instructions say 6-7 hours before it can be used, but 24 hrs to set all the way. I would leave it for 24. BE SURE AND PUT WAX ON THE BARREL/RECEIVER where ever you think some epoxy will ozze out and touch anywhere.

    Once it sets its almost as hard as steel. You can clean up any unwanted Epoxy with a grinding wheel.
     
  5. lingr

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    Put the V blocks to bed in the JB weld yesterday. Took everything apart after the 24 hours today. Everything looks good to me, had to grind just a little epoxy that had oozed from the back V block into the mag well.
    One last question. Should I put some stain or sealant where I sanded out the mag well to preserve the wood or not?
    Thanks so much Frank for all the advice. Would have buggered this project real good if it hadn't been for your help.
    Here's a pic of the blocks after I took it apart today and a before and after shot.....
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  6. Nogoat

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    Much nicer look, I think.
     
  7. SWO1

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    lingr ..... great job buddy ..... :D some stain/sealant would not hurt. It should be a good shooter. When are you gonna shoot it ?
     
  8. lingr

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    Hope to shoot it sometime next week to dial the scope in again and see how she does. Getting my gear together right now for opening day of turkey season this Saturday.
    I can already tell by handling it in the new stock that it has a lot more sturdier feel than the plastic. It was an accurate gun before, hope this makes it better. Will post a pic of the target when I do.
     
  9. vwgtiturbo

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    Stumbled onto this thread with a web search...

    I just wanted to say thanks for posting the pics, and the interaction containing advice. I bought this stock a few months ago, and being my first bedding project, had ZERO idea where to start. There is a lot of info online for bedding a rifle stock, but not so much for the RA.

    In any case, thanks for the post; I should tackle this project this weekend (finally).
     
  10. lingr

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    Good luck on the bedding project. I too had no experience of doing this. But it turned out good. The Boyd's stock makes this a much better rifle IMO. Post a pic of it when you get her done.
     
  11. vwgtiturbo

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    Will do! It's going to take a while, just to clear all of the modeling clay from the receiver (it's obvious that I was reading materials meant for other rifles now, right? LOL). I thought it was strange, but not wanting to mess anything up, I pressed on...

    Hopefully, I'll get it done this weekend. I'm entirely TOO excited (this Boyd's stock really IS so much better than the stock synthetic... stock).

    One question, as I couldn't see it in the pic... Did you put epoxy under the rear lug, or under AND to the rear?

    Thanks again for the write up!
     
  12. lingr

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    I put JB weld everywhere that the V blocks was touching wood. On the outside of the "V", underneath, and to the rear. On the front one, I completely filled under and over the flat piece that sticks out towards the front of rifle. Just be sure not to get any inside the "V" where the receiver will rest. If you get some oozing into there, you can dremel it out using the grinding attachment. REMEMBER TO PUT THE PASTE WAX EVERYWHERE ON THE RECEIVER THAT MAY COME IN CONTACT WITH EPOXY, INCLUDING THE THREADS OF THE SCREWS, so everything will break free from the epoxy after it sets. Good luck!
     
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  13. vwgtiturbo

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    Awesome, thanks for that advice!
     
  14. vwgtiturbo

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    Finally finished and ready to shoot! Thanks again for the info gentlemen. I greatly appreciate it! I was a bit gun shy (hahaha) about doing this, but your words and pics were the motivation needed!

    Here is a small sample of the pics I took during parts of the process (is not an inclusive list of steps taken):

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  15. lingr

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    Congratulations on the bedding job! Let us know how she shoots.
     
  16. vwgtiturbo

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    Will do! I'm hoping to take it out this weekend, but not sure. I think I was a little more nervous about it than I needed to be, but then again, if you miss a step/detail, it could mean having to buy a new rifle, so that worry is justified!
     
  17. Tnarb

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    I am working on this project as well. For the release agent the paste wax, would the kiwi show polish in a can work?
     
  18. vwgtiturbo

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    Yep, kiwi works (that's what I ended up using).
     
  19. Tnarb

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    Thanks for the reply. Do you need to let it dry buff it off, or put a layer on and bed the actio?
     
  20. vwgtiturbo

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    I let it dry, but did not buff (I was scared that I wouldn't have left enough to serve as a release). Turned out very well...