Dumb Reloading Question #463

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  1. FOUR4D4

    FOUR4D4 Moderator Moderator

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    Are the indentations shown here need for alarm or is it from just not enough lube done after resizing die only



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  2. hombre243

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    These could be lube dents from too much lube. Make sure there is just a thin film of oil. If it is more than that lube can be trapped within the resizing die and dent the case, Usually this is a problem with bottleneck cases but I suppose it can also happen to straight sided or tapered cases.

    How far down does the bullet seat? The bullet may push out the dent.
     

  3. oldbrass

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    First off there is no such thing as a dumb reloading question, It doesn`t look cracked so should be fine
     
  4. SWO1

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    I had the same thing happening to my .45 acp brass. But my dents were caused by an improper adjusted ejector. The case was hitting on the edge of the ejection port when fired. I found out it was common and the dents ironed out after a couple of reloadings. Thats a tiny dent compared to what I had.
     
  5. FOUR4D4

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    Thanks for the replies! I bought them at a flea market I have no Idea how many times they have been reloaded.
     
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  6. greyhawk50

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    I was waiting for others to comment. I have to agree that this happens from time to time and isn't a problem.

    While we are on this subject; I can't load my 30-30 w/o having dimples in the case neck. Because I'm loading for a Lever Gun, I feel the need to full length size every time. (I neck size only for bolt guns and single shot rifles)
    The only reason that I can think of is that the chamber in the rifle is somewhat larger than the sizing die. Sizing dies are made to the tightest SAAMI standards so the reloaded ammo will fit in "any" rifle. Every rifle has a different chamber size/configuration. Seems like cases with a sharper neck angle are more prone to this problem than cases with a more gradual angle to the neck.
    I am always careful to not over lube the cases. I have also disassembles the dies and cleaned them to remove any built up residue.
    The dimples vary from case to case. Here is one of the worst examples. This case has about 4 dimples with this example being the worst.
    I've never considered it to be a problem i.e. the dimple goes away when it is fired. However, the extra wear and tear may shorten the case life and requires closer inspection before reloading.
    Comments and suggestions are welcome.
     

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  7. greyhawk50

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    Good morning SWO1. Good to see you on here this morning.
    This 30-30 has the Sierra 125 gr. FNHP bullet. (yes - I do load Sierra bullets. heehee) It should be great for Coyotes and smaller Deer. It shoot really well. A little flatter and faster than the normal load.
    Just finishing my coffee and thinking about what I need to finish up the project out at the church this morning. Today should rap things up except for a coat of paint.
     
  8. FOUR4D4

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    I wonder what caused that Hawk, Die adjustment?
     
  9. SWO1

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    Is that a dent I see on the bullet just above and in line with the case dent ?? It may not be but looks like one.
     
  10. hombre243

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    I would send some pictures to the die manufacturer and see what they say. If the die has always dented the case the manufacturer may replace it.
     
  11. greyhawk50

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    FOUR4D4; I think a combination of the shoulder angle and the die being SAAMI smaller than the chamber. The is the worst example although most all of the cases have a slight deform. I think the problem would go away if I neck sized only but I believe that Lever Guns need a full length size every time.

    SWO1; Was that a trick? ;) You forced me to get up, open my ammo case and check :p.
    I'm sure that it wasn't. I see something in the picture also.
    To answer your question, NO, after further inspection, the bullet is fine. Must be a shadow or refracted light.
     
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  12. hombre243

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    One thing I just remembered is that you do not lube the case shoulder. Any amount of lube in that area can dent the case. Might want to make sure the shoulder is dry.
     
  13. greyhawk50

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    Thanks for the tip hombre. I'll try it the next time &see what happens.
     
  14. R.Ph. 380

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    This especially causes that and the ridges on the neck. If you can feel the lube on the shoulder and neck, wipe and redo.

    Bill
     
  15. FOUR4D4

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    If I have lube on my neck and shoulders.
     
  16. oldbrass

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    I use a very small amount of lube ,it doesn`t take much...A tip I got from Swo1 is to clean your dies periodically, I use hoppes #9and swab it with a Q-tip
     
  17. Bucky

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    Too much lube mate, and/or do you scrub your dies, every time before you use them ? ......I do !
    Only need minute amounts of lube !

    Also
    I was told by another re-loader, that all "straight walled" cases can only be used a couple of times, as the only pressure that happens during the reloading stages is downwards, thus rendering them too short.

    This may be true if you only "neck size" the case.
    So I full length sized a few, for a "nothing to loose" experiment and "presto", they grew enough to "trim to size", and saved me a small fortune.

    Some of my .444 cases have been reloaded 5 or 6 times.
    Happy as
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    Bucky
     
  18. Nogoat

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    I now use carbides for my straight walls, no need to lube,


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  19. FOUR4D4

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    Lee don't make carbide dies for the 444 Marlin
     
  20. hombre243

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    Nope, so you have to lightly lube them. I looked, but cannot find any Lee carbide dies in .444 either. Those small dents do not hurt much. If they get deep and appear to dig into the metal, I would be worried. Don't get hinky. Cases get dents all the time.