Help choosing a new rifle

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  1. DUTCHS

    DUTCHS Well-Known Member Supporting

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    I have stated in my Intro. I am a novice when it comes to rifles, I have a Savage hog hunter chambered in.308 but am anticipating a trip in the next year or two uo to my cousins in ALASKA I know they grow things very big up there and was hoping to get some advise on Caliber and model of Marlin that would be within the 1000.00 range and bolt action and any tips if you all have hunted in Alaska! Thanks
     
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  3. hunter2506

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    If i was to go to Alaska was to hunt all their game and wanted bolt action
    marlin, than it would be XL7 30 06, around 500.00
     
  4. DUTCHS

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    Model X7

    The product of 140 years of gunmaking expertise, the Model X7 has single-handedly created a new class of hunting rifles. Offered with today’s most advanced technologies and the Marlin® tradition of building solid, dependable, accurate firearms – at prices hunters can afford.

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    Long Action

    Calibers25-06 Remington (70380)
    270 Win. (70381)
    30-06 Springfield (70382)Capacity4+1ActionCenterfire bolt action, Pro-Fire® Adjustable Trigger; fluted bolt; two-position safety; red cocking indicatorStockPillar-bedded black synthetic with raised cheek piece and Soft-Tech® recoil padBarrel22” precision button rifled, target crown (6 grooves)Twist Rate 1:10"Sights/ScopeNo sights provided. One-piece scope base includedOverall Length42 1/2"Weight6¼ - 6¾ lbs


    Short Action

    Calibers7mm-.08
    243 Win.
    308 Win.Capacity4+1ActionCenterfire bolt action, Pro-Fire® adjustable trigger system; fluted bolt; two-position safety; red cocking indicatorStockPillar-bedded black synthetic with raised cheek piece and Soft-Tech® recoil padBarrel22” precision button rifled, target crown (6 grooves)Twist Rate 7mm-08 - 1:9.5”, 243 Win. - 1:10”, 308 Win. - 1:12”Sights/ScopeNo sights provided. One-piece scope base includedOverall Length42"Weight6¼ lbs
    You mean this guy! What is the power and recoil difference between a .308 and a 30-06?
     
  5. hunter2506

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    first chart is energy and second is velocity, Federal ammo 180 gr


    Load No​
    Caliber​
    Muzzle​
    100 Y​
    200 Y​
    300 Y​
    400 Y​
    500
    Y​
    P308E
    308 Win. (7.62x51mm)​
    2640​
    2278​
    1957​
    1672​
    1420​
    1202​
    P3006A1
    30-06 Spring. (7.62x63mm)​
    2913​
    2547​
    2217​
    1922​
    1658​
    1423
    Load No​
    Caliber​
    Muzzle​
    100 Y​
    200 Y​
    300 Y​
    400 Y​
    500 Y​
    P308E
    308 Win. (7.62x51mm)​
    2570​
    2388​
    2213​
    2045​
    1885​
    1734​
    P3006A1
    30-06 Spring. (7.62x63mm)​
    2700​
    2524​
    2355​
    2193​
    2037​
    1887

     
  6. DUTCHS

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    Please remember I am a novice, So, What this chart says to me is that the 30-06 is a marginally larger shell that carries farther and gets there quicker. Right?
     
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    Thanks Hunter! I am just getting this whole ballistics thing and it is taking a while!
     
  8. hp-hobo

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    The .308 is essentially a shorter, downloaded .30-06. The -06 is requires a long action reciever where the .308 is a short action. Some people say a short action is more accurate because there is less flexibility due to a smaller ejection port and a shorter bolt. I don't think you can go wrong with either. Most experts (I am not an expert) will agree that the .308 is more accurate at long range but the .30-06 retains more power.

    That being said, for my money I'd go with a .30-06 for big game at long range and stick with my .308's for human sized targets at somewhat closer range..
     
  9. DUTCHS

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    Thanks hobo! I am really deciding if the spend is worth it if my. 308 will be enough. What I get from your comments is that having a 30.06 would be useful if that big game shot is farther away and I need that velocity to drop it and the.308 would be great for the stuff that I really need to place that shot in the right area to drop it. I wonder? If I am hunting Elk,Moose, those calibers will drop those animals? I guess you only have to go to the really big calibers if you start going big stuff like Africa? I hate to sound dumb but I am a firm believer better to have to much and not need it than to not have enough and need it!
     
  10. hp-hobo

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    Please don't make you decision based on my opinion. I know a bit about guns, ammo and ballistics but I'm not a big game hunter - actually not much of a hunter at all. I'd suggest you let someone with real world hunting experience, beyond the occasional squirrel, rabbit or possum weigh in and see what they have to say.

    No question is dumb, we all started somewhere...
     
  11. DUTCHS

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    Thanks man! I will make sure to do it well informed, I still appreciate your help! Thanks
     
  12. axxe55

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    DUTCHS, if going to Alaska to hunt, i would give the recommedation for the 3-06 because it's being able to propel the larger bullets needed a bit better than the 308. 200+ grain bullets is where the 30-06 has an edge over the 308 in ballistics.

    another good choice for Alaska would be the 45-70 in a Marlin lever action. large caliber bullets with good knock down power at reasonable distances.
     
  13. DUTCHS

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    Thanks Axxe, I will look into that! I have never shot a lever action but they seem pretty handy to use! All the years they been around must be something to it!
     
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    you're welcome and hope i have helped you out. in all honesty, i have never shot the 45-70 in a lever action myself, only in a few single shot rifles. i have shot many lever actions, and owned many in different calibers, but the 45-70 has eluded me!

    the Marlin Model 1895GS might be the one to look into. walnut stock, stainless steel action and barrel, 4+1 magazine tube capacity and has a MSRP of $812. which i am sure would be lower at your LGS. might be the perfect rifle for your Alaska hunting trip.
     
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    Model 1895GS

    The venerable big–game–dropping performance of the 45–70 Gov´t. is now available in a compact gun that weighs only 7 lbs. It features an 18½" barrel and a straight-grip stock for fast pointing. For corrosion resistance, there´s our Model 1895GS with all major metal parts machined from stainless steel.
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    Caliber45–70 Gov´t. Order Online from Gallery of GunsCapacity4–shot tubular magazineActionLever action; side ejection; stainless steel receiver, barrel, lever, trigger guard plate, magazine tube and loading gate. Hammer block safety.StockAmerican black walnut straight-grip stock; cut checkering; ventilated recoil pad; tough Mar-Shield® finish; swivel studs.Barrel18.5" with deep-cut Ballard-type rifling (6 grooves).Twist Rate 1:20" r.h.SightsAdjustable semi-buckhorn folding rear, ramp front sight with brass bead and Wide-Scan™ hood. Solid top receiver tapped for scope mount; offset hammer spur (right or left hand) for scope use.Overall Length37"Weight7 lbs. Owner's ManualDownload Owner's Manual
    (Specifications subject to change without notice)

    Now that's something I could sink my teeth into!! I'll bet it is a good investment as well. Thanks AXXE! I guess since I pay for my own birthday and Christmas gifts this baby would look quite nice with a bow on the box under the tinsle and lights!! I just got really excited!!!My wife will feel good that I really like her gift for me as well!
     
  16. 1894

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    By golly I think Dutchs is catching on quick !!! :cool::cool::cool::D
     
  17. DUTCHS

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    Bit of a slow learner here! :eek:But, we be talking guns! Suddenly I get VERY INTERESTED!! :D
     
  18. 1894

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    For some , the ability to hit a dime at 300 yards consistently from a bench is what they enjoy.
    For me , where I hunt is a lot different than out on a prairie or shooting from one mountain to another .

    I like the leverguns , they carry easy , hit where you point them , kill what you hit , and are just plain fun for me to shoot :D

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    Editor Reviewed Marlin 1895GBL

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    Description
    The Marlin Model 1895GBL is a lever-action hunting rifle chambered in .45-70 Government. The GBL is a smaller version of the Classic Model 1895 with an 18.5" barrel and weighing 7 pounds. And, it has a laminate two-tone stock.
    Otherwise it has similar features to the Classic M1895 like Marlin’s Ballard-type rifling in the barrel, which carves six deep and wide grooves in it that, Marlin says, help improve accuracy for high-powered rifles. It’s a slow process, however, almost no stress is put on the metal, so it can better absorb the violent reaction when a primer is charged. Also, it has a tubular magazine that’s non-detachable and runs along the barrel. Rounds are fed through the front of the tube and it chambers like a shotgun—a spring pushes the round down as the bolt slides the next one into place.
    Its cartridge, the .45-70 Gov’t,. is a preferred hunting round for shorter range. Since it has such a low velocity yet powerful impact, it’ll kill larger game without destroying a lot of the meat.
    Marlin recommends the GBL for hunting deer, larger game and black bear.
    Specifications
    Action:
    Lever
    Caliber:
    .45-70 Government
    Stock:
    Two-tone brown laminate
    Material/Finish:
    Steel/blue
    Barrel Length:
    18.5"
    Weight:
    7 pounds
    Twist:
    1 in 20"
    Overall Length:
    37"
    Sights:
    Adjustable semi-buckhorn folding rear sight and ramp front sight
    Scope:
    Drilled and tapped for scope mounts
    Capacity:
    6
    Website:
    http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Firearms/bigbore/1895GBL.asp

    So, I was in a gun shop yesterday and I found this baby sitting there and it had my name written all over it!! I put a down payment on it and my wife is going to get it for me by September for my Birthdat!! My question here is , DID I GET A FAIR PRICE?? The package is, The rifle, a hard case, a sling and 4 boxes of Ammo for $ 685.00 OTD, What do you htink? Is that a fair price??