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We got to the stand about 0615. Was about 50deg and WINDY. A little warm but she was still cold. I tried to get her to dress for the wind but might as well talk to the Trees ..... LOL. She hung in there till 1015. I knew she was wanting a break, so we called it a morning and will go back about 1400. She did better than her brothers their first couple of times out. I wont have any trouble having her dress warmer this afternoon, as I told her you can always take it off, but cant put it on if ya don't have it. Didn't see anything, but did hear a couple of grunts about 0900 out of the North Draw. Its overcast and had a little shower early, about 0530. Might get some more later.
 

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1315 and getting the thermos filled back up and about ready to head back out. Went down to the little local store to pick up another Any Deer tag for the youngest grand son. He used his land owners for the button buck youth day. I forgot to get him a doe tag. He will go out tomorrow. Talked to 3-4 hunters taking a lunch break and they all said also having a hard time getting anything to come out of the brush. Although they have taken a couple around here this morning. Been hearing shots a ways off, probley a mile or better. Its good not to have anybody close, but also kind of bad not having them stirring them up any. But I like it better this way ...... :p
 

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Right before we went back out the clouds parted, the sun came out and the temp soared to 68 ..... :(. The Wasps invaded the stand...Red ones, Black ones, Striped ones. Carlie squeeled and swatted. After a little more than an hour....that was enough. To blamed HOT, never mind the Bees. If its like this tomorrow it will be a NO G0. Starting Monday afternoon another cold front and back to the 40s. Even if we got one would have to work it up ASAP. I hate doing that. Here is a girl that catches Snakes, lizards, CLEANS Fish, Squirrels, Deer, but cant take Insects ...... LOL
 

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Right now at 1945.....67 and thunder storm, lighting. Forecast is for the temp to say above 65 till tomorrow evening around 6 with storms into tomorrow morning. So NO HUNTING TOMORROW ...... :( Monday looking good with rain coming back tues-thurs. I can hack the rain, have taken some of my bigger deer in it, just not the high temps.

Best laid plans of mice, men, and hunters ...........
 

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Checked the critter cam about an hour ago. Still have a group of 5 couple of nights, and 3 Friday night. Have had at least 2 every day since the boys took theirs. Have bought 3 cans of Bug Spray. We will go back this afternoon at 1400 and see if they show back up. My brother-in-law took a good buck yesterday afternoon around 5. I heard the shot. His place is just .5 mile down the road and 180 acres back. Heard another shot about 10 minutes later just across the road where the guy runs his horses but don't know if he got anything or not.
 

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Strange weather for sure. Back to the 30s tonight and high of 50 tomorrow and looks like rest of the week. Not bad, at least can let em hang. Here are a couple more pics, all does, quess the bucks are across the road.
 

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At around 1500 had at lest 2 in the brush south of the stand. We could see them moving around but couldn't tell what they were, buck or doe. by the time Carlie got into position and her gun up couldn't locate them in her scope. Then they were gone. Bout 4 got a couple grunts/snorts from the same location but didn't see anything. At least she got to see something today and heard what a buck sounds like. She was worried earlier that her brothers had got all their were until I showed her the Pics and this afternoon. Ill be out in the morning, just Me.
 

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Overcast and threating rain this morning. I figured PERFECT...At 0800 it started to rain....pretty hard. Had to sit the rifle off the sill onto the floor of the stand, it was getting wet. At 0830 two came out of the North draw. Just to the edge of the clearing. Small does/button bucks. One stayed behind a tree and one just showed his front chest out of the brush. I HAD IT IN THE CROSS HAIRS at 80 yards. But the shot would have been thru BOTH FRONT SHOLDERS. No good neck/head shot and the rest of the body was in thick brush. Stayed for about 1.5 minutes. I thought long and hard. I let it walk. being that small the 180 gr Core Lok would have ruined both front quarters. THEY WILL BE BACK. It quit raining about 9 and they never showed again. I left at 1130. Maybe Ill go back this evening...maybe wait till in the morning. Will check the weather at about 1400.
 

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Was supposed to be Thunder Storms today, but that didn't happen. So I went out at 0600. At 0700 caught 4 dark shapes moving toward me from the south about 100 yards out. I thought.... Oh Boy, I will have my choice...... Until they spoke to me.....GOBBLE, GOBBLE, GOBBLE. Blamed Turkeys. Where where they in October? 4 big Toms. Came to within 40 yards of the stand. One was struttin around like it was April....LOL. Makin fun of me I think ....... :eek: It started to pour at 0800. It slacked off at 1100 so I shut it down and went home. Supposed to be FEEEZIN in the morning, AND MY HEATER DOSNT WORK ... :mad: If the screen door on the back porch is frozen shut in the morning I might just stay home. Supposed to SLEET AND SNOW Sunday - Monday.
 

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Didn't go today. Stayed home and worked on the heater. Aint gonna work. Its almost 4 years old. Went and got a new one. Will be in the 30s all weekend, maybe sleet/snow sunday. Got to have heat for the Grand Daughter.... Well would be nice for me to ..... :p They went up $25 since I got the first one. But do a good job in the Deer Stand. It is what it is.
 

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I have the Mr. Heater, the two burner model. Also with the Oxygen sensor, anti-tip shutoff and fan. It has three settings, low, med, and High. On high runs thru the two 1lb bottles pretty fast. I have the Hose attachment with a 25lb bottle rigged up underneath the stand. I have a fresh filled tank so should be good rest of the season. It says will heat 400 sq feet. The stand is 4X8 and 7' high. But I have from 1 to 4 windows open depending on the weather. They swing up and prop open. I've been meaning to change them over to sliders for a few years now. I had to fork out $139 for it this year, but with my 10% discount at Lowes made it $125. Think it was right at $100 the first time around 4 years ago.
 

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Since letting the one in the brush go we havn't see a blamed thing since. This morning it started to Snow at 0800. Quit at 1100. I stayed until 1330. Tomorrow is the last day of antlered portion. Then its Non-antlered until 12/8. A dead period until 12/21 and Alternative Method opens up (black powder/center fire pistol), spears, big rocks, chase em down and strangle em... don't laugh, had a Crazy Marine in North Carolina who really did that out jogging, when its Any Deer again until 12/31.

During the dead period we will sight in the smoke poles and see how far the pistol is good for. Maybe if I can Tree one I can knock it out ...... :p
 

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lingr .... if your heart dosnt skip a beat at least, then it is time to quit. I quit worrying about Bucks a long time ago. Congratulations on your success.
 

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After we returned for the Thanksgiving Family gathering I went up and check the Critter Cam. AT 1130 that morning had a pretty good spike buck. I had a Habitat For Humanity Work Day scheduled Saturday so no hunting. This Morning Took the Great Grandson to Bass Pro Shop. He had a great time with the fish tanks, stuffed critters. They had a Kids sections set up in the Boat Display Hall, Merry-go-round, RC cars, video shooting gallery.....all free. Got home at 1345. Thought, what the heck, might as well go on out. Got in the stand at 1420. Poured a hot cup of coffee, took one swallow.......and I could see him coming up out of the North Draw. He walked right into the clearing. I whistled and he stopped right between my two 50 yard trees. Held the cross hairs just below the right ear and squeezed the trigger. He turned, stumbled, took a step and went down. That's the exit hole in the Pic. While at Bass Pro I picked up the Snack Stick casings and some Stick seasoning. A coupe/3 days hanging and will grind up with some Pork and stuff em up. Probley wont go again this week, will wait for the weekend and take the Granddaughter out again.
 

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Well now I have faith in the Ole 53 yr old Savage 06. Shoots where I point it. Thru the neck no expansion on the Core-locs. The entry is about 2" higher than the exit, Im 20' up and its down hill to the clearing.

Used my DRV ( Deer Retrieval Vehicle ) If I have to can cut my way into where they are to get em out with the brush-hog on ...... :p Beats the heck out of draggin half a mile.
 

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Have to work up the deer today (this morning). going to get into the 60s this afternoon. AND THEN .....Startin Wendsday afternoon Plunging into the 20s for a high, single digits at night with snow and sleet/ice next 4-5 days, it will freeze hard, which is bad also. It hung for two days so OK. I'll save a hind qtr for a roast later as my sister and brother-in-law are coming out from Tn. after Xmas. Also might cut up some stew meat to whip up a batch or two also. Its a good sized one so plenty to go around.

To make sausage or snack sticks I mix a pound of ground pork butt with 4 lbs of venison. Have to add some fat, also more flavor.
 

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Just finished working up the deer. Set aside one rear quarter and the tenderloins. Have just over 31 lbs of meat ready to grind. While it was hanging I took the time and separated each major muscle and trimmed the silver skin and all other waste. If I don't do it now will have to before grinding. easier while hanging. I will get 9lbs of ground pork butt and mix and have 40lbs of stuffed sticks. Just so happens the two packages of seasoning each do 20lbs of ground meat ....... :cool:.

I will chunk up one of the tenderloins and make some stew and a pot of Veggie Venison Soup. The other think I will cut about 2" thick, wrap with bacon and grill, not all at once will freeze some for later.

Havoc the Dog got some trimmings and a trimmed leg bone. rest of the scrap I bagged and will freeze for him later. He sat patiently and watched the whole time. I tossed him a tid-bit every now and then ...... Coyotes can have the rest, I dumped it with the other two and they are gone already, also the gut pile from Sunday evening.
 

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It's interesting to me, just how similar your weather is to ours, considering that you are several hundred miles south of us????????????? Go figure??
"It is what it is." so they say. "Gotta do what ya gotta do."
Our weather systems seem to come out of Oak. Kan. and go NE. Guess that's the way the Jet Stream carries it. Big rains come out of the south off the gulf during Trop. Storms and Hurricanes.
 

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SWO1, I have a question. Why do you let the deer hang for 2 or 3 days before you work it up?
Good question lingr ..... Different people have different opinions on the subject. I probably could not explain it correctly so I looked up numerous articles and I think this one explains it most completely and shortest. It came out of Field and Stream.


There are some persistent myths about aging venison that may cause you to stock your freezer with inferior meat this season. I'm sure you've heard them: Deer meat can't be aged like beef, because it dries out if left hanging. Or: Aging is simply "controlled rot," and why let good venison rot? And: You only need to hang deer a day or two for tender meat, so any longer is a waste of time.

None of this is true. To understand why, and to find out the best methods to age venison, we have to turn to science.

A Chemistry Lesson
Despite its different taste and lower levels of fat, venison is very similar to beef. It contains the same basic enzymes, particularly lactic acid, and goes through similar changes after the animal dies.

First, the muscles go into rigor mortis, a stiffening lasting at most 24 hours. Butchering a deer during rigor mortis is one of the worst things you can do. It can cause a phenomenon called shortening, where the muscles contract and remain tougher than if butchering took place a day later.

Proper aging begins as soon as rigor mortis ends-and this process is definitely not controlled rot. Rot is zillions of bacteria eating the muscle cells, their waste products creating the familiar stench of decaying flesh. Bacteria attack only after meat is exposed to the air, and bacterial rot is accelerated by higher temperatures. It doesn't happen at all if the meat is frozen. To properly age your deer, you must keep it at temperatures above freezing and below about 40 degrees. This holds bacteria (and rot) at bay, allowing natural enzymes to do their work.

Venison, Restaurants, and Supermodels
Meat is made up of long muscle cells connected by a fairly tough substance called collagen (the same stuff plastic surgeons inject into the lips of supermodels to make those lips full and "pouty"). Collagen causes most meat toughness. Young animals have little of it between their muscle cells, but as an animal gets older, more develops. Natural enzymes break down this intercellular collagen as meat is aged, so the longer it hangs, the more tender it becomes. (Commercial meat tenderizers, such as papaya juice, do the same job-but natural aging is more flavorful.) This is why beef served in fine restaurants is aged a couple of weeks or more. It's also the reason a prime restaurant T-bone costs so much; it takes money to cool a large aging room.

Supermarket beef is aged perhaps two to three days. This isn't bad, since beef-or a deer-hung that long does age slightly. But neither becomes as tender or flavorful as after a week or more.

Aging at Home
Maintaining a consistent temperature is the main problem with home-aging venison. I live in Montana, where outside temperatures during the firearms season normally range from around 20 at night to 40 during the day. My garage provides some protection against cold and sunlight, so deer that I hang there won't usually warm to more than 40 degrees and won't freeze at night. If your weather isn't ideal, you can home-age venison in a spare refrigerator. Skin the quarters and bone-out other large sections of meat. The quarters from a typical deer (or even two) will fit in an average-size refrigerator.

Young deer don't have much collagen, so aging for a couple of days is plenty. Older bucks benefit most from the extended period, and many hunters who do it properly actually prefer the taste of mature bucks. After aging, the steaks are as tender as a young doe's-but with a rich flavor reminiscent of the best restaurant beef.

**** Hope that explains my, and others reasoning. Since Sunday when I shot it highs have been around 42 with lows in mid 30s. It was a young deer so 2-3 days hanging was good. Mine hang in the barn out of the sun and even if it gets down to about 25 don't freeze. I use a body sock to keep off bugs/dust/ect. Today was going to get above 45 so I worked it up this morning. The Grandsons two were year old deer so they hung in same temp for 3 days also. If its hot when I shoot them I qurarter them and put in the fridge for X number of days (depending on age) before working them up. Some of the processing plants around here charge you to let your deer hang in their coolers also before processing them.
 

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Grand Daughter came down with Strep Throat Wendsday. Been out of school and taking medicine. So no hunting for her. Today is last day of Anterless Deer. 21st starts Alternitave Methods till 31st so she is done till late Youth final two days, first of Jan.
 
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