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Renewed my CCW this morning !
Called before I went into town and talked to the Deputy who issues the permits. When I walked in he said $40 for 5 year renewal. No prints, no picture, NO QUESTIONS. I handed him the $$, he pressed the key and my permit printed out in about 90 sec. We talked about our gardens and some pistol shooting. Now the county Sheriff issues the permits and renewals and the card had no Pic or other info other than address and exp. date. It had been $30 but he said the equipment for the system required an increase. I have no problem with the $$ or the process. After all it A TAX, plain and simple. He said there are about 200 who had paper permits issued prior to receiving the equip to produce hard plastic cards. They are slowly trickling in to get them.
The new laws were passed and placed into effect before any country or agencies had time to order the gear. The change was inacted swiftly due to the discovery that the Dept of Trans, VIA The State Highway Patrol who had prior issued the permits, had sent the data to the FEDS ......
As a result the head of HP resigned. Now all info is kept by the County Sheriff or City police and shared with NO ONE. Does it make a difference, I don't think so as EVERYBODY who wants to know who LEGALLY owns a firearm knows. Funny thing is NOT ONE person who cannot legally own a firearm has come to get their permit...........
The new laws were passed and placed into effect before any country or agencies had time to order the gear. The change was inacted swiftly due to the discovery that the Dept of Trans, VIA The State Highway Patrol who had prior issued the permits, had sent the data to the FEDS ......
As a result the head of HP resigned. Now all info is kept by the County Sheriff or City police and shared with NO ONE. Does it make a difference, I don't think so as EVERYBODY who wants to know who LEGALLY owns a firearm knows. Funny thing is NOT ONE person who cannot legally own a firearm has come to get their permit...........
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The class was most excellent. I was mistaken about the times. The class time is 10 hours with 2 hours range time.
There were only 3 in attendance so the training was very personal. Lots of time for Q&A. All 3 trainees scored 100 on the written test. Mostly basic firearm questions with a few questions about the laws.
I am seriously considering a revolver for the very reasons that you mentioned.
For the training, I took a Stainless FireStar 9mm and a brand new Kel-Tec P3AT 380 that I bought for my initial carry. I fired 50 rounds thru each weapon during qualifications. At first, the Kel-Tec had 3 out of the first 12 rounds that didn't chamber all the way but then it loosened up and ran smoothly. The last 22 rounds had 19 hits within a 6" circle at 21'. All 22 were well within the 9" paper plate.
The reason for the "mouse gun" as first choice was the price ($200 OTD New) and the fact that I'm concerned about the weapon being printed as I carry. I understand that is normal at first but will become less of an issue/concern after time.
As you know, I'm a shotgun shooter and don't own many pistols (and only a few rifles). But the ATF wont let me reduce a shotgun to fit into a holster.)
Thank you for your input. I highly respect your opinion.
Looking forward to more suggestions before I plunk down more serious $$.
There were only 3 in attendance so the training was very personal. Lots of time for Q&A. All 3 trainees scored 100 on the written test. Mostly basic firearm questions with a few questions about the laws.
I am seriously considering a revolver for the very reasons that you mentioned.
For the training, I took a Stainless FireStar 9mm and a brand new Kel-Tec P3AT 380 that I bought for my initial carry. I fired 50 rounds thru each weapon during qualifications. At first, the Kel-Tec had 3 out of the first 12 rounds that didn't chamber all the way but then it loosened up and ran smoothly. The last 22 rounds had 19 hits within a 6" circle at 21'. All 22 were well within the 9" paper plate.
The reason for the "mouse gun" as first choice was the price ($200 OTD New) and the fact that I'm concerned about the weapon being printed as I carry. I understand that is normal at first but will become less of an issue/concern after time.
As you know, I'm a shotgun shooter and don't own many pistols (and only a few rifles). But the ATF wont let me reduce a shotgun to fit into a holster.
)Thank you for your input. I highly respect your opinion.
Looking forward to more suggestions before I plunk down more serious $$.
Congrats on your class greyhawk50 .....
Semi autos, revolvers, cal. everyone has their opinion and reasons, none wrong, its a personal thing. As for the Shotgun in a holster, maybe the Taurus Judge. .410, 41 Long colt. A little pricy and not a little pistol. Although different barrel Lengths are availiable. Looks like a snub revolver for MOST brands run from NIB at $400 to $600. If I may suggest look at the Rock Island Model 206 .38 Spcl in the 2" snubby. An ALL steel pistol with good reviews at around $230 depending on the area of the country. In function and build is identical to the Colt Dect. Spcls. Its a 6 shot and capiable (according to Mfg. )of handling .38 +P , just not on a steady diet. I shoot the 6" model 200 and run my HOT reloads thu it some. I think you will like the triggers on the RIs. Single action is REAL GOOD at about 3lbs. Double action is smooth and crisp.
Let us know what you decide on and of course PICS ........
Semi autos, revolvers, cal. everyone has their opinion and reasons, none wrong, its a personal thing. As for the Shotgun in a holster, maybe the Taurus Judge. .410, 41 Long colt. A little pricy and not a little pistol. Although different barrel Lengths are availiable. Looks like a snub revolver for MOST brands run from NIB at $400 to $600. If I may suggest look at the Rock Island Model 206 .38 Spcl in the 2" snubby. An ALL steel pistol with good reviews at around $230 depending on the area of the country. In function and build is identical to the Colt Dect. Spcls. Its a 6 shot and capiable (according to Mfg. )of handling .38 +P , just not on a steady diet. I shoot the 6" model 200 and run my HOT reloads thu it some. I think you will like the triggers on the RIs. Single action is REAL GOOD at about 3lbs. Double action is smooth and crisp.
Let us know what you decide on and of course PICS ........
Sorry SWO1. I kinda, sorta hyjacked your thread but it is related.
Anyway; We went to see my granddaughter today and there is a Gun Shop on the way home (kinda).
I came home with a S&W Airweight 638 Stainless. It's a 5 shot 38 spl. +P.
MSRP is $469.00. It was NIB for $429. Not a bargain but fair enough. According to the Dealer, Taurus doesn't make the Model 941 snub in 22 mag. anymore. At least they didn't have one and they weren't listed as available.
They had Ruger LCRs in 22 mag. but they were Blue and I was set on Nickel or Stainless. Plus they were higher priced than the 638 SS.
After I shoot it, I'll post the results. Now I'll be looking for a couple holsters. I got a couple generic holsters that might work. One of our members suggested a 10 o'clock cross draw. I'm thinking that will be my first choice if/when I order one.
I'll also need to order a set of Carbide Dies, Case Length Trimmer and pick up some loading stuff. I'm too tight to practice with new stuff at $.60 a round.
Any and all suggestions are appreciated.
Anyway; We went to see my granddaughter today and there is a Gun Shop on the way home (kinda).
I came home with a S&W Airweight 638 Stainless. It's a 5 shot 38 spl. +P.
MSRP is $469.00. It was NIB for $429. Not a bargain but fair enough. According to the Dealer, Taurus doesn't make the Model 941 snub in 22 mag. anymore. At least they didn't have one and they weren't listed as available.
They had Ruger LCRs in 22 mag. but they were Blue and I was set on Nickel or Stainless. Plus they were higher priced than the 638 SS.
After I shoot it, I'll post the results. Now I'll be looking for a couple holsters. I got a couple generic holsters that might work. One of our members suggested a 10 o'clock cross draw. I'm thinking that will be my first choice if/when I order one.
I'll also need to order a set of Carbide Dies, Case Length Trimmer and pick up some loading stuff. I'm too tight to practice with new stuff at $.60 a round.
Any and all suggestions are appreciated.
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Ya cant go wrong with a Smith ....... Great looking revolver.
I have the Lee 4 die set in .38/.357. They are Carbide. Well I got tired of resetting the dies and got another set and set them to .357 in their own turret ...... Don't know if you have a Sierra Manual, 5th edition is the newest. I load mine with it, I LIKE EM. Lots of different powder choices, sierra bullets of course .... LOL, I like them also. Unique is the recommended powder for Accuracy with 130 gr FMJ. Nice practice round. I use the 124gr JHP for business. You could use the 158gr JHP, in what was called the Police Load, Now they are called +P. Sierra dosnt list any +P loads, but if you check their Max loads they are the same. I called them once and asked about +P. They said its just a marketing gimmick, kind of like putting Tactical in a name, they don't play that game. Just load their Romppin-Stomting loads and ya got it.
Great looking revolver.I have the Lee 4 die set in .38/.357. They are Carbide. Well I got tired of resetting the dies and got another set and set them to .357 in their own turret ......
Don't know if you have a Sierra Manual, 5th edition is the newest. I load mine with it, I LIKE EM. Lots of different powder choices, sierra bullets of course .... LOL, I like them also. Unique is the recommended powder for Accuracy with 130 gr FMJ. Nice practice round. I use the 124gr JHP for business. You could use the 158gr JHP, in what was called the Police Load, Now they are called +P. Sierra dosnt list any +P loads, but if you check their Max loads they are the same. I called them once and asked about +P. They said its just a marketing gimmick, kind of like putting Tactical in a name, they don't play that game. Just load their Romppin-Stomting loads and ya got it.
greyhawk50 .... I went to Ft. Leonard Wood this morning to pick up my perscriptions. At the PX they had a 638 in stainless just like your Pic. Cant believe how small and light it is, just 15oz with hammer schroud and 1 7/8" barrel. I don't think you will have a problem carrying it at all. Almost conceals in your hand ...... Hurry up and shoot that thing, wanna see how it does.
Hurry up and shoot that thing, wanna see how it does.
SWO1; Just for you.
Took the Airweight to a local range and run 10 rounds thru it. I kinda expected a little better but it should improve with practice and adjusting the sight picture.
I was shooting at 21', off-hand with both hands and using the "normal" sight picture and the same aim point each time. Also was aiming at the printed circle on the cardboard and shooting double action only.
Seems to want to shoot a little high and to the right. That could be the results of trigger pull??
All 10 shots were within a 4 3/4" square.
Could there be one of these in your future??????
Took the Airweight to a local range and run 10 rounds thru it. I kinda expected a little better but it should improve with practice and adjusting the sight picture.
I was shooting at 21', off-hand with both hands and using the "normal" sight picture and the same aim point each time. Also was aiming at the printed circle on the cardboard and shooting double action only.
Seems to want to shoot a little high and to the right. That could be the results of trigger pull??
All 10 shots were within a 4 3/4" square.
Could there be one of these in your future??????
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All my snubbies shot to the right also. Even with reloads. The Taurus .38 and .357 have adjustable sights so NO PROBLEM. The RI revolver has the grove for rear like yours. I got it down to about 1" right working with different loads, bullets mostly.
My Govt model .38 Super shoots to the right about 2", fixed sights, its next on my list to go to the Smith and fix that. But I just shoot paper with it. The RI 45acp IS RIGHT ON, just had to file the front blade to get em up some. 4-5" aint bad at 21'. In reality 7-12' is more in line with what you will encounter in a Self Defense situation. Need to get some B-27 targets and if you can keep them within the 8 ring double action with Point and Shoot, then NO worries. I know I, and you no doubt like them tighter. Kind of like deer rifles, always looking for that 1" group at 100 yards when 3-4" is more than good enough for Hunting. Our carry guns aren't anywhere near Bulls Eye guns, not ment to be and will never be.
Of course PRACTICE, PRACTICE .... and if that don't work, PRACTICE SOME MORE ........
As for one for me, probably not in the near future. I like my Taurus and have gotten used to it. Although the 638 was $394 out the door at the base, no tax of course. Quit saying things like that ..... LOL
Oh, I forgot to ask, is one of the two DEAD CENTER your first shot. If so then I have to say ITS ALL YOU good buddy. Not criticizing as that's me to. Different grips might fix that problem also. A lot of people like the Hogue Wrap arounds for better control. Just a thought.
My Govt model .38 Super shoots to the right about 2", fixed sights, its next on my list to go to the Smith and fix that. But I just shoot paper with it. The RI 45acp IS RIGHT ON, just had to file the front blade to get em up some. 4-5" aint bad at 21'. In reality 7-12' is more in line with what you will encounter in a Self Defense situation. Need to get some B-27 targets and if you can keep them within the 8 ring double action with Point and Shoot, then NO worries. I know I, and you no doubt like them tighter. Kind of like deer rifles, always looking for that 1" group at 100 yards when 3-4" is more than good enough for Hunting. Our carry guns aren't anywhere near Bulls Eye guns, not ment to be and will never be.
Of course PRACTICE, PRACTICE .... and if that don't work, PRACTICE SOME MORE ........
As for one for me, probably not in the near future. I like my Taurus and have gotten used to it. Although the 638 was $394 out the door at the base, no tax of course. Quit saying things like that ..... LOL
Oh, I forgot to ask, is one of the two DEAD CENTER your first shot. If so then I have to say ITS ALL YOU good buddy. Not criticizing as that's me to. Different grips might fix that problem also. A lot of people like the Hogue Wrap arounds for better control. Just a thought.
To answer your question - No. They were somewhere in the middle of the run. With my failing old eyes, I wasn't sure that they were there until I walked out to the target. Thought that I had missed the target altogether. This group would be more in line with a stress situation.
I was at a range where I hadn't payed my membership yet this year and felt hurried. It's not the best range and I only go there once or twice a years for a quick test on a new gun. I was a member there for many years before I joined the Deer Hunters Club (which would be an extra 20 miles round trip). I'll spend more time on the next trip to my normal range.
It would be nice to have a range in my back yard.
I want to try single action with sand bags to confirm point of impact. Also want to order my Dies and components before I shoot this gun very much. I'll be working on loads then.
And, as you say, I need to practice & practice some more. Whatever the case is, I don't have a problem with Kentucky Windage if needed. Chances are, at 12' - 14'. it will be instinctive shooting anyway.
Just wanted to reply to your last post. If things improve, I'll be sure to post again.
AND; I've never known you to be critical. Just not your style.
My LGS had two of the airweights. One in Full covered shroud, double action only, and one with the shrouded hammer, single, and double action. He said you think they are light check mine out. He went into the back and brought it out. All Titanium, at just 11.2 oz ..... He had an oversized wrap around grip on it and said It punishes you with full loads ....
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